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What would you like to know more about?

Postby NW7US » Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:47 am

:?: - - What question haunts you the most, regarding propagation, the Sun, and related topics? Please post your questions in this forum. I, and others, will tackle them, one by one, in an attempt to make sense of the vast knowledge that scientists and hobbyists have gathered regarding these things.

:idea: I look forward to your posts. Don't be shy.
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OK...I'll Ask....

Postby Reverend Bow Voodoo » Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:17 pm

Hello, I am a long time SW DX'er, but I have never understood how to read the Propagation data.
Can you give me a explaination in "Laymen's Terms" on how to read andunderstand a propagation report?

That way I don't have to sit there in front of the radio trying to make out WBCQ on 7415 khz if the propagation is bad!


Thanks!

This site looks to be very helpful!

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Re: OK...I'll Ask....me too !

Postby 14IR001 Didier » Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:07 pm

I have never understood how to read the Propagation data.
Can you give me a explaination in "Laymen's Terms" on how to read and understand a propagation report


I'm active on 11 meter (27mhz !) and i'm interested to know also if you know a good prediction sofware with muf or something else more interesting for me to use..
I've W6EL prop software it's a nice tool but i want to know if there is a better software i can use.
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Postby Clara Listensprechen » Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:58 am

As someone returning to the hobby after decades of absence, I want to warn everybody that my "advice" may be only partly correct or partially remembered...but...I would think that, on a daily basis, MUF is a dynamically changing spec that's not entirely dependent on, say, solar flux/geomagnetic levels so predictably.

Time of day in your region as compared to the time of day at the transmitter site you're shooting for has a lot to do with getting hear from there, and what I do in addition to paying attention to solar/geomagnetic reports is look at the day/night pattern at a given hour of the day I happen to be DXing. The Yahoo Group I'm in (Shortwave Basics) has a link to "The Gray Line Map", which, IMHO, is just as helpful as a flux report. I'll have to cruise back there and get the exact link, and post it here.
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Postby Clara Listensprechen » Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:59 am

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propagation charts

Postby nu7t » Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:25 am

Didier,
For monthly forcasts of propagation, please try: http://www.arrl.org/qst/propcharts For propagation bulletins, please try:
http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/prop Interpretations may be found in an article from February 1995 issue of QST entitled "Interpreting QST's New Propagation Charts for Low Power and Low Antennas".
Use the search function on the home page. Type in the title above. The article should appear in pdf format.
As Clara has said, the grey line ( separating night and day ) is very important, especially for 11 meters. When the solar cycle is high as in the past three years, 11 meters is a good band during the day but at night is usually for only local listening.
Now the solar cycle is about half-way between its high and low points. Thus, most of the time 11 meters will not be too good for long distances at any hour.
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Re: OK...I'll Ask....

Postby NW7US » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:47 am

Reverend Bow Voodoo wrote:Hello, I am a long time SW DX'er, but I have never understood how to read the Propagation data.

Can you give me an explaination in "Laymen's Terms" on how to read and understand a propagation report?

That way I don't have to sit there in front of the radio trying to make out WBCQ on 7415 khz if the propagation is bad!


Hi. Sorry for the delay in replying.

First, let's look at a few terms and such:

In the eAlerts that I send out (see http://prop.hfradio.org/ealert/), you see the following abbreviations:

SFI = The 10.7cm Solar Flux Index.

A = The Ap Index (Planetary) from the Ak Index, a daily index of geomagnetic activity for a specific station or network of stations (represented generically here by k) derived as the average of the eight 3-hourly ak indexes in a Universal Time day. (ak is the averaged k indexes...)

K = The Kp index. A 3-hourly planetary index of geomagnetic activity calculated by the Institut fur Geophysik der Gottingen Universitat, F.R. Germany, from the K indexes observed at 13 stations primarily in the Northern Hemisphere. The Kp indexes, which date from 1932, are used to determine the ap indexes.

The maximum Kp index is 9. The Ap index can exceed well over 100 during very severe storm conditions. The classification of A-indices is as follows:

Code: Select all
A0   - A7   = quiet
A8   - A15  = unsettled
A16  - A29  = active
A30  - A49  = minor storm
A50  - A99  = major storm
A100 - A400 = severe storm


nT = NanoTeslas - the unit of measurement for the strength of the geomagnetic field and the Interplanetary Magnetic Field (IMF).

The line, "SFI:208 A:11 frm 12 K:2 frm 3 (10 nT) 0000 25 Jul" is to be read as:

[quote]10.7cm Solar Flux Index is 208.
Planetary A Index is 11, down from 12
Planetary K Index is 2, down from 3
The nT reading is 10.
These readings are as of 0000 GMT, on the 25th of Jul (UTC).[/code]

Next, you see the forecast (Frcst).

SWX = Solar Weather. The forecast is for the next 24 hours, from the time/date of the SFI line. First, you get the overall rating of the expected solar weather conditions. In this example, it is expected to be "minor" in activity.

Then, you get specific conditions expected.

G1 S1 R1 are levels, as defined by The NOAA Space Weather Scales tables. See http://www.sec.noaa.gov/NOAAscales/

The G scale refers to Geomagnetic Activity. The scale is:

Code: Select all
G5 = Extreme - Kp = 9
G4 = Severe - Kp = 8
G3 = Strong - Kp = 7
G2 = Moderate - Kp = 6
G1 = Minor - Kp = 5


The S scale refers to Solar Activity. This scale is:

Code: Select all
S5 = Extreme - Flux level of > 10 Mev = 10^5
S4 = Severe - Flux level of > 10 Mev = 10^4
S3 = Strong - Flux level of > 10 Mev = 10^3
S2 = Moderate - Flux level of > 10 Mev = 10^2
S1 = Minor - Flux level of > 10 Mev = 10


The R scale refers to Radio Blackouts. The scale is:

(NOTE: the ^-5 is -5 superscripted, and so on)

Code: Select all
R5 = Extreme - X20 Class Flare, Flux = 2x10^-3
R4 = Severe - X10 Class Flare, Flux = 10^-3
R3 = Strong - X1 Class Flare, Flux = 10^-4
R2 = Moderate - M5 Class Flare, Flux = 5x10^-5
R1 = Minor - M1 Class Flare, Flux = 10^-5


Next, you will see the Observed Space Weather (SWX). The format is the same as for that of the Forecast.

Next, you get the SSN - Sunspot Number, and the date of the reading. The Aurora Index follows, then the Solar Wind reading.

Any further Warnings or Alerts are then listed.

Finally, the general HF conditions are shown for three latitude regions.

Now, what do all of these mean? I'll answer that in the next posting...
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Reading the Numbers

Postby NW7US » Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:08 am

:?: How do the numbers in an eAlert (Kp, Ap, SFI, and so forth) tell us what is going on with propagation?

First, let's look at the Ap and Kp numbers. The more active the geomagnetic field, the more unstable propagation is, with possible periods of total propagation fade-out. This is especially true at higher latitudes and especially at the Polar Regions, where the geomagnetic field is weak. At these high latitudes, propagation may disappear completely long before total degradation of signals over low- and mid-latitude paths. Extremely high indices may result in aurora propagation, with strongly degraded long-distance propagation at all latitudes. Low indices result in relatively good propagation, especially noticeable around the higher latitudes, when transpolar paths may open up.

The 10.7-cm Solar Flux index (SFI) is a number obtained from the amount of radiation on the 10.7-cm band (2800 MHz). It is closely related to the amount of ultraviolet radiation, which is needed to create an ionosphere. We want high SFI numbers because this would translate to higher levels of ionization, which in turn would provide more stable refraction of radio signals, higher in frequency. Solar Flux readings are more descriptive of daily conditions than the Sunspot Number. The higher the Solar Flux, the stronger the ionosphere becomes, supporting refraction of higher frequencies.

The Sunspot Number (SSN) is a number related to the observable sunspots on the solar face. Sunspots are magnetic regions on the Sun with magnetic field strengths thousands of times stronger than the Earth's magnetic field. Sunspots appear as dark spots on the surface of the Sun.

The sunspot number is calculated by first counting the number of sunspot groups and then the number of individual sunspots. The "sunspot number" is then given by the sum of the number of individual sunspots and ten times the number of groups. Monthly averages (which are updated monthly) of the sunspot numbers show that the number of sunspots visible on the sun waxes and wanes with an approximate 11-year cycle.

We look at the Planetary A (Ap) index to get a picture of how conditions have been and to discover a trend. The Planetary K (Kp) index, on the other hand, indicates the overall current state of the geomagnetic field. When the Ap has been rising, or has been high over several days, we expect that the ionospheric propagation will be degraded. If we see the Ap falling, or remaining low for a number of days, we can expect that shortwave propagation will be good to excellent, even possibly over the high latitude and transpolar paths. On the other hand, if we see a quick rise in the Kp index, we might be alert for sudden fading and loss of signals, and even possible Aurora.

If the Kp index rises above 5, it is quite possible to have visual sighting of Aurora in mid- and even low-latitude locations. Some recent aurora events in the last several years have been viewable as far south as Mexico. Propagation was shut down on the high frequencies during these periods, but aurora-mode propagation on VHF and above was quite active. When we see the Kp index rapidly falling, or staying low for a period of time, we expect great conditions on the high frequencies.

We look at the sunspot and 10.7-cm activity because these numbers have a direct correlation to the level of ionization during the period in question. Over many years of careful observation and exploration, scientists have been able to model the way the ionosphere works, and how it is influenced by the solar activity. Using software tools, even radio hobbyists may now take the sunspot and flux numbers and make an analysis of propagation over various paths through the ionosphere.

The general rule of thumb is that the higher the solar activity, as shown by higher solar sunspot numbers and higher solar flux numbers, the higher the frequencies that will propagate via the ionosphere. So, when we see a trend of rising flux levels over several days, we can expect openings on higher frequencies, while a dive in flux levels warn of the closing of higher frequencies.

Your example of the 41-meter station - and that you want to know when you will be able to hear it, and not struggle with tuning it in - is addressed by looking at the typical propagation characteristics of the 41-meter band frequencies.

During the day, some propagation of 7 MHz signals is possible off of the F layer (and perhaps the E layer), for paths up to 2500 miles away. However, because the daytime D layer of the ionosphere is highly ionized by the direct radiation from the sun, a great amount of the signal energy (perhaps all of it) is absorbed by the lowest of the ionoshperic layers. Ths signal just does not get through the D layer. So, signals tend to be "close in" on the band. But, as the gray line approaches, and night conditions arrive, the D layer nearly dissapears, allowing the 41-meter signals to punch through to the higher E and F layers. There, the signals are refracted, making DX possible on these frequencies far away, even over multiple hops.

So, if the K (and A) indexes are high, why would the 41 meter band shut down? This would happen during minor to major geomagnetic storms because the geomagnetic influence on the chemistry of the ionosphere causes a recombination of the ions with the atoms. This causes the Maximum Usable Frequency (that frequency which is the highest that would be refracted, rather than able to "punch through") to decrease by as much as 50% of the normal MUF. If the MUF was, say, 15 MHz, and a major geomagnetic storm occurs (Kp > 7), 41 meters will barely be under the MUF - causing signals to fly out into space, rather than be refracted back to earth at a distant point.

It is useful to use one of the software tools that allow you to plug in these numbers and get a "generalized" picture of propagation. Several great offerings exist which are built on the IONCAP engine. I'll be posting more about those in another message, later.

I hope this helped answer your questions.
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Re: What would you like to know more about?

Postby n6hb » Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:16 am

NW7US wrote::?: - - What question haunts you the most, regarding propagation, the Sun, and related topics?
I have never understood what causes skew path, during times that short path propogation would be expected. Image
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